Dear Abby, I rarely miss your column, which usually answers wisely and compassionately. However, your information regarding homosexuality is inadequate and lacking in scientific and genetic basis.
The homosexual community is still waiting for scientific findings to legitimize its aberration. Their mantras and loud declarations, linked with political correctness and misinformation, have obscured the truth that many former gays have found freedom to live normal sexual lives with the help of groups like Exodus International, John Mark Ministries, Restoration Hope Ministries and PFOX (Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays).
More vitally, the Bible in Romans 1:18-32 clearly reveals God’s word on this. Know that God would not condemn something he created. No one is born homosexual.
If Abby was courageous and fair to her loyal readers she would print my letter.
What's it like to live in a fact free world? Do the Tea Partiers applaud your lack of information?
I notice you did not rebut my jobs data....Why not? I am sure you can somehow find a way to turn losing 800,000 jobs a months under Bush as Obama's fault.
During the First two years of the Obama administration Democrats used their majorities to pass health care and the stimulus, Lily Ledbetter and lots more legislation that helped average Americans.
Since 2010 the Republicans have blocked every bill that would help average americans....The use if the filibuster has been used a record number of times...
You screech that both parties are guilty....No....Thats a right wing fantasy.
I said earlier about the auto bailout. Only imbeciles and Mitt Romney think this is a failure, and stand by that statement.
Cash for clunkers was a success at a time when the auto industry was dying. Data from the report the department of transportation clearly indicates that the program benefited Americans and reduces our dependence on foreign oil. 677,842 vehicles were turned in under the CARS program
$2.85 Billion was paid out in rebates for these vehicles
New vehicles purchased had an average MPG of 24.9
Old vehicles turned in had an average MPG of 15.7
$2.8 Billion in fuel savings based on the early retirement of less efficient vehicles
This data was presented to congress when gas was approaching $4.00 per gallon.
So your belief that the program failed is just another example of ignorance.
Your GM Hit list comment is just stupid....Please take off the tinfoil hat and turn Rush off.
Do you have any data that supports your accusation of bribes in the green energy field? If so produce it....At What hearing was this information made public?
No FOX does not count....
Iraq as a mistake based on lies and cost thousands of American lives....Bush will never get any credit for that...
Bush also diverted resources from Afghanistan to fight Iraq. The slowdown in Afghan due to lack of resources is what gave the Taliban time to regroup. Thats why we will be there till 2014.
You keep proclaiming Obama failed.....So prove it....
I have 3.5 years of economic data that says differently.
I have legislation passed that helps average Americans on recored.
I have DADT repealed...
I have Lily Ledbetter passed,
What to you have???? Oh...Thats right.....You compare those that disagree with you to chimps in the zoo.
You complain about the "race card" ...Well stop using dog whistle terms......
I reviewed every one of your supposed facts and NONE of them have any data to back them...
You remind me of the angry old guy yelling for the kids to get off his lawn...
Feeble, incontinent and angry.
Rhuidean
Obama is a Post Turtle. He's sitting atop a fence post, we don't know who put him there, he has no idea what he's doing there and he can't get down until someone removes him. What a pathetic excuse for a President.
You two spout gibberish about what a failure President Obama is......So although I should simply ignore you I will again provide some factual data.
On the day President Obama took office the US economy was losing 800,000 jobs a month under a Republican president
In the last 3.5 years the US has added 3.2 Million jobs. No the employment numbers are not where anyone wants them but it's a long way from failure. BTW my source for this number is the US Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Republicans and people you help elect demanded that the US automibile industry be allowed to go bankrupt.
President Obama did not listen and bailed them out. Today all the auto manufacturers are health and making profits. Millions of jobs were saved....Only imbeciles and Mitt Romney think this is a failure,
President Obama repealed DADT....No failure there...
He got us out of Iraq....Maybe you heard to that place.....You know the one we invaded illegally and all...
President Obama got Bin Laden...He said he would as a candidate and carried out his promise....
He passed Health care that that lowers the deficit and was upheld by a very conservative supreme court.
The day President Obama took office the DOW was 8279.63
today the DOW is 12772.47. Thats an increase of almost 50%...
And yet you two are some of geniuses who supported and helped elect those mouth breathers who made the biggest mess in our financial history have the sand to claim Obama failed...
The sheer ignorance and stupidity and your arguments is staggering.
No factual data supports your arguments.....Nooooo...
You do not like the black guy in the oval office and have convinced yourselves that only your reality is good.
Then when confronted you simply make stiff up and congratulate each other in an attempt to validate each others ludicrous statements...
I cannot imagine how it would feel to live my life in such an idiotic manner.
Rhuidean
I stopped responding because it serves no purpose. You hate Obama....Ok Whatever..
I am glad you are so worked up though...I get to see your true colors and they are vile.
Obama will be reelected in November and the House and Senate will turn Democrat.
The difference is that this time there will be no filibuster available to the mouth breathing right wingers.
Bawwahhhhhaaaaaa
Rhuidean
I am guessing you all will be very sad in November.
Rhuidean
OK Whatever....You do realize your mindless and vile rant validates my argument?
Probably Not....that would take self awareness.
Rhuidean
This Thread is off the topic of the letter. However i will oblige you one last time.
You Wrote:Last time I checked, he's president of the ENTIRE nation, not just part of it. He represents the interests of ALL AMERICAN'S, not just his own constituents. He swore an oath of office to defend the constitution, and to uphold the laws of the land. Well, that includes laws against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, too, my friend. I didn't know that we get to pick and choose which laws we wanted to uphold and obey?
I reply: President Obama has enforced the nations laws regarding illegal immigration more stringently than any president before him. During his term deportations have reached record levels....This is what's called a fact...
You Wrote:America has to create/add 150,000 jobs per month just to keep pace with population growth and new adults being added to the job market. Anything less is not a "gain" but instead a true "loss." The guy is clueless when it comes to job creation. Obama touts the fact that he'll have added 2.8 million jobs during his first term, while Reagan after the Carter recession created 12 million plus jobs in 4 years based on comparable population.
I reply: When Obama took office the country was losing jobs at a rate of 800,000 per month. In his three years in office he has completely erased that deficit and added over 4 million jobs. Yes...This is another fact...And neither Reagan or Carter were saddled with the worst congress in history.
You Wrote:He has yet to have a MEANINGFUL BUDGET proposed to Congress in all 4 years. He has yet to receive A SINGLE DEMOCRATIC VOTE on any of his budget proposals...once again, all political posturing on his part. The Democrats aren't interested in passing a budget that is really honest and meaningful, and one that they would have to defend come election time.
I reply: Are you serious? Do you remember the constant threat from Republicans to shut down the government? Do you remember them demanding an extension of the Bush tax cuts? Do you remember them holding the nations debt ceiling hostage?
Republicans are horrible at governing and exercising fiscal policy. Your comment is laughable.
You Wrote: Once again, you attack "white people." Rather bigoted and racist of you, little feller. Typical liberal ranting and childish behavior on your part, dude. Can't find words to express yourself? Play the race card and call out childish names. Guess all those who died on the Union side during the Civil War didn't give a flip about race...Evidently Lincoln, the Republican, was wrong when he met Harriet Beecher Stowe, author of Uncle Tom's Cabin, and said "So you're the little lady who caused the big, big war?" Last time I looked, most of your abolitionists were white.
I reply: Another moronic argument. Almost every piece of Legislation proposed by the Republican congress has been aimed at hurting minorities.
If you believe this is wrong then show me an example.
No I stand by my comments.
If you think I am a bigot then OK..
I am bigoted against stupidity.
I am bigoted against those who hurt public education.
I am bigoted against those who seek to take away the rights of any citizen due to skin color or sexual preferences.
I am bigoted against those force women to undergo state sanctioned rape with an ultrasound wand.
I am bigoted against those who want to deny every citizen quality health care.
So yeah.....
Rhuidean
I hit a nerve did i?
Look....No demographic group is perfect. However look at all the legislation the Republican Congress has proposed or passed.
Anti Abortion legislation dominates...Followed by Anti Immigration which is followed by Anti Health care.
Republicans are using tax money to defend DOMA in court even after it has repeatedly been ruled unconstitutional.
With the president begging for a meaningful jobs bill the first things the Republicans are voting on is repeal of Healthcare. Even after they lost at the Supreme Court.
Sure .....Yeah to quote your words...."they are free thinkers, with, perhaps, common threads of general bonding, with general love of country and there fellow man"
Republicans love them some white, wealthy, Tea Party loons. If you have brown skin or are gay or need healthcare and are poor....Not so much.
And they use the internal prejudices of ill educated knee jerk voters to keep them in power.
You Wrote: Accept responsibility. Be a man
I reply: I am working each day to ensure the Democrats take the house, Senate and Presidency in November. This is my responsibility and you can be sure I am diligent about it.
MWVWMNMWVWM,
You continually lump gays and pedophiles into the same demographic. What's the matter?
Now that it's pointed our are you running away from the comparison?
You Wrote:Nope gays are born that way and pedophiles are born that way. The only comparison I need.Race isnt needed and doesnt matter.
I reply: Here's your words lumping them together.
Rhuidean
You blather on and on about liberals this and that but you have no idea what a Liberal is....So i thought i should explain what liberals stand for.
Equality: We believe everyone is equal....It does not matter what your skin color is, What your income bracket is, What gender you are or sexual orientation is.
Government: Liberals believe government can be a force for good and positively impact it's citizens....All of them. We do not support wars based on lies or make up reasons for invading countries. We understand that American blood must never be spilled in vain.
Education: We believe in education. We believe that the defense budget could be cut 5% and we can have the best educational system in the world.
Health Care: We believe that ALL citizens have a right to health care. The sooner we get Medicaid for everyone the sooner we stop the poor from dying because they are poor.
We believe that only a women has the right to determine what happens to her body...EVER...No one without a Uterus gets a say.
We believe in sound fiscal policies. Bush and the republicans spent money and blood like drunken sailors and what did we get in return? Only thousands of American dead.
BTW Obama got Bin Laden when the uber patriot Republicans had given up.....
So when you reflexively yell liberal....I am sooo glad Learned to think rationally.
We believe that it's mind numbingly stupid that conservatives can be so ignorant, hateful and bigoted that they vote for wing nuts and wackaloons.
But hey.....It's America and if the right wants to be stupid then good on them.
MWVWMNMWVWM,
You go on and on about gays and pedophiles......
You do know that there is absolutely NO evidence to back that claim?
Research has shown that pedophiles are overwhelmingly hetro-sexuals who abnormally fixate on children.
But if making these factually incorrect statements makes your being bigoted and hateful easier to bear then oh well.
As Forrest Gump said..."Stupid is as stupid does".
Rhuidean
Gays certainly haven't cornered the market on inappropriate behaviour. For some same reason though, a few of you "straight" men are very fixated gay men wearing lingerie--for each his own I say though.
And seriouly, given than virtually all pedophiles are white straight men, can you stop with your ridicolous comparision of gays with pedophiles.
Fortunately, despite a few vocal crackpots, America is basically a decent place that believes in equal rights and fair treatment for all. People want their gay and lesbian children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, neighbors, doctors, parents, cousins to be treated fairly. In fact 57% of American favor gay rights, up from 40% just 5 years ago.
People like Cranky, and Crawfish and MWM... actually greatly HELP the advancement of gay rights. NORMAL people read their tirades and recogize that ignorant bigots still exist and reach into their wallets and donate to organizations advancing civil rights for all as a result. I have actually wondered if in fact, they are gay guys who are trying to stir the pot in the name of their cause. Ether way, thank you guys! Keep up the good work!
Even more importantly, their hate drove an entire generation of gays out of small towns and into big cities. Many gays became very rich because they focused their energy on education and career advancement to build a buffer so they would never have to live in a neighborhood in which neighbors wouldn't let their children come play with their children.
They are raising children who will become powerful advocates. They knew the strength of the media, and assumed positions of power in which to present constant and powerful positive images of gays and lesbians. They donate millions upon millions of dollars to politicians. And that is working. No more "Don't Ask/Don't Tell". And a dozen states already allow gay marriage. The Supreme Court of the United States is about to rule that there is NO JUSTIFICATION OTHER THAN HATE NOT TO ALLOW GAY COUPLES TO GET MARRIED in the State of Califonia. Its already legal in New York. And the President has said he will not uphold the Defense of Marriage Act, so once couples in these states move to Georgia and sue to have their marriages recognized, it may be game over.
So I understand these guys negativity and bitterness. Much like crackers in the Civil War South, who will they have to hate and fear once gays have equal rights?
But they better be careful, because those darn gays might just move back to places like Rome and buy the newspaper or the business they work out, or be the person who draws their blood at the hospital, who teaches their kids or is their landlord. Instead of Carpet Baggers, in this case lets call them Prada Baggers And these Prada Baggers may prove even more full of retribution for past slights than the Carpet Baggers were. They may raise the taxes on trailer parks, or polyester. What will Cranky and Crawfish and MWM... do then?
You whine once again about civility....Dude..That Kung Fu is just....Weak....
Now I would appreciate an answer to my earlier questions....That's if you have the sand to put your beliefs out there.
Maybe you do not remember the questions so here they are again.
I Asked: How does it take away or affect you if law abiding gays want to marry or raise a family?
Does it remove a single one of your rights?
If a gay couple moves in on your block with an adopted child how does that hurt you?
Who are ANY of you to deny gays the same rights all citizens receive?
Who made you King?
As I said in a different post. Replying "Jesus Says So" is a losing argument.
Rhuidean
You talk about moral decay and blame the gays and 50 yars ago you blamed the blacks, beofre that it was the Native American Indians, when does it stop? And why do you continue to compare gays with pedophiles? do some research, most sex offenders are white middle aged straight men not gay men, not black men and not native american men WHITE STRAIGHT MEN.
Though unsolicited, I’ll take a stab at your question…
Our representative democracy has long “discriminated” against its citizenry by affording benefits to some and not others, in an effort to support the common good. Religion, for example, is seen as a common good that enriches society. This is why churches and other non-profit organizations are afforded certain tax benefits that other businesses do not enjoy. Furthermore, churches and other religious organizations are afforded much greater deference in regard to their hiring practices, as evidenced by the “exception clause” of the fourteenth amendment. Married couples are also afforded tax benefits that singles do not enjoy because marriage is widely viewed as an essential structure for the stabilization and continuation of a civil society. In the case of marriage, the state believes it has a compelling interest to support the traditional view of a marriage between one man and one woman because it values the ideals of permanence, exclusivity, stability, and the production of children for the continuation of a civil society. This is not to say that same-sex couples have no right to live together, to be happy, to raise children, etc. Rather, it simply means that the state may not have a compelling interest to incentivize this relationship. The “harm,” as you’ve asked, is that same-sex relationships contribute little to the values that promote the continuation of a civil society.
I'd have to disagree. Same sex marriages contribute exactly the same values that traditional marriages do. Let's face it, when compared to Kardashian, Trump, Spears, or Larry King, the gays actually contribute far more to a civil society.
Side note: I actually don't think the government should have their nose in marriage at all.
All in all there isn't a single, logically consistent, argument against gay marriage. This is supposed to be the country founded for Liberty. If it doesn't hurt anybody else it should be legal. Anything less is literally unamerican.
Did you know that the psychologist who wrote the report on conversion therapy issued a public apology to the world, because his data was misinterpreted, and he was wrong?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/19/health/dr-robert-l-spitzer-noted-psychiatrist-apologizes-for-study-on-gay-cure.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-sexual-continuum/201205/author-controversial-study-therapy-change-sexual-orientation-apolog
You Wrote:
There are people born with all kinds of handicaps and deformities, making them far from the "norm" of things. Most gays could be placed in the same category, being mentally abnormal with faulty wiring in the brain.
I reply: You are right that people are born with handicaps. Being gay is not one of them.
I trust the opinion of the trained professionals from the APA much more than an the opinion of a homophobic bigot.
Crawfish. Creek,
I must have missed the announcement of you being appointed as the civility sheriff. Congratulations....
Now I have reread the letter and do not see anyone stating that Rebecca is a terrible person.
Our castigations are for the ideas expressed not her person.
I do see several including mine that think the reasoning and beliefs expressed in the letter to be ignorant, bigoted and completely inaccurate.
The groups called out in her letter that engage in so called therapy………..This Quackery has been proven to not work and yet she recommend it.
This so called therapy teaches gays to live a lie and always remain aware that they are not good Christians.
Lastly who are ANY of you to deny gays the same rights all citizens receive? Who made you King?
How does it take away or affect you if law abiding gays want to marry or raise a family? Does it remove a single one of your rights?
If a gay couple moves in on your block with an adopted child how does that hurt you.
I am consistently surprised by how Christians use Jesus's name to lash out and hate.
Ironic....Yet Typical
Rhuidean
Believing it is a sin does not require one to hate the person displaying the behavior.
Finally, believing homosexuality is sinful does not constitute a redirection of an uncontrollable desire to use racial slurs.
On what do you base your conclusions?