Local leaders: TSPLOST vote critical for region
by Doug Walker, Business Editor
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State Rep. Katie Dempsey (left), R-Rome, and Georgia Power’s Tequila Smith listen Wednesday to economic development issues associated with a TSPLOST vote set for July 31 during a meeting at the Greater Rome Chamber of Commerce. (Doug Walker, RN-T.com)
State Rep. Katie Dempsey (left), R-Rome, and Georgia Power’s Tequila Smith listen Wednesday to economic development issues associated with a TSPLOST vote set for July 31 during a meeting at the Greater Rome Chamber of Commerce. (Doug Walker, RN-T.com)
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Civic leaders in Rome have bought into the regional cooperation concept that is an integral part of the proposed TSPLOST and are now trying to promote the penny tax vote July 31 as an exercise in regional economic development.

The desire of state leadership to encourage a sense of regionalism across the state was much of the focus of discussion among Greater Rome Chamber of Commerce Governmental Affairs committee members Wednesday.

State Rep. Katie Demp­sey, R-Rome, recalled the initial meeting of representatives from across the 15-county region related to the development of a project list for the transportation tax.

“They didn’t want to be there,” Dempsey said. “It was wonderful to witness as they figured out how important it is to work together.”

Angie Lewis, chairwoman of the Greater Rome Chamber of Commerce, told the committee that leaders from the

Floyd, Bartow and Gordon county chambers will participate in a joint photo shoot next week to begin a last-minute effort to sway voters to support the transportation tax.

“We decided to save our limited advertising budget until the very end,” Lewis said.

Not everyone was sold on the regional teamwork concept.

“People in Polk County have absolutely no interest in what’s going on in Murray County,” said Rich Hammond, former Bekaert plant manager. “I don’t know if there is a quasi-sub-regional approach that can be tied to Rome.”

Hammond brought up the Ga. 400 tollbooth issue to illustrate how citizens have become disgruntled with government.

“Continuing the toll on 400 played right into their hands,” Hammond said. “The timing of that couldn’t have been worse.”

The tollbooths were supposed to have been taken down after bonds to pay for the road project northeast of Atlanta had been paid off, but the state just announced that those booths would remain in place even though the bonds have now been paid.

Dempsey pointed out that the TSPLOST is restricted to 10 years. It could only be extended with voter approval.

“There is a lot of information flowing around that is incorrect,” said Ansley Saville, who chairs the chamber committee.

She said a no vote would send a negative message to potential industries looking at sites across the entire 15-county Northwest Georgia region.

“The whole thing is economics,” said Rome City Commissioner Buzz Wachsteter. “It’s not about roads; it’s about jobs.”

Saville agreed, concluding, “I don’t think any one of us wants taxes, but the bottom line is jobs.”

The TSPLOST is expected to raise $1.4 billion during a 10-year period to finance road projects across the Northwest Georgia region.

Key Floyd County projects to be funded include the widening of Ga. 140 from Armuchee east to Interstate 75 in Bartow County and the widening of Ga. 101 from the Ledbetter Interchange south to Rockmart. Funds for the U.S. 411 connector to I-75 are also included on the list.
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CharlesFord
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July 28, 2012
Vote NO! Vote NO!Vote NO! Enough is enough. As a self employed person I can not handle any more taxes. All theses things sound great and that is the problem. Nobody knows how to say no anymore and no one wants to give up their piece of the pie.
4lowertax
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July 24, 2012
HmmHmm, We cannot take care of the roads that exist right now because of the wasted money our government has spent on useless projects. This T-Splost will only fuel the state of georgia to the next splost to be able to maintain the roads they are wanting to build with the 2012 tsplost. The big G is going to have to lay off the dead wood, close some of the special projects that we have built with matching grant money beecause it was "FREE MONEY" and trim their budget like we do at home! That might mean taking the assistant off the payroll and making coffee yourself. Just to start!
momo111
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July 22, 2012
Better roads means more jobs. More jobs means more traffic. More traffic means you're no better off. Vote NO and save your money.
dumpcake
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July 22, 2012
Building more roads does not create jobs, it creates work.

There is a difference.
appalucy
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July 23, 2012
It is very poor logic to think that better roads would mean more jobs. Why would we want to pay now and wait for SEVEN years for these projects to be started and think this is beneficial for Floyd County? If that is the plan, let's handle it locally and keep the GDOT out of our pockets until they get their finances in order. I bet it wouldn't take ten years for our road projects to be completed.
MmmHmm
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July 23, 2012
What is wrong with people around here?!?!?!? Better roads people!!!!! Roads that are more safe people!!!!! What do you have against roads? The roads around here are horrible. They are busted up, pot-holed truck troughs. Why do you want them to stay that way. I mean the mentality around here is first-rate pathetic. I'm pretty sure it's this same forum where someone actually posted something alongs the lines of stop building things that require maintenance. REALLY?!?!?!? Do you even understand the wear and tear that these degraded roads cause to a vehicle? I know some of you drive the 4X4 super tanks and others of you drive death-defying rust buckets, but some of us drive something a little nicer and would like to keep it that way. Our roads are one of the things that helped make this country great. They are what allow all of us the opportunity to go and do as we please. Now our roads have become the laughing stock of other nations, just read any automotive magazine and note the comments about the status of our degrading roads compared to other countries. Ridiculous. Just ridiculous.
TomatoMan
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July 21, 2012
You mave want to save your limited advertising budget to patch roads, and I wouldn't want my face in the photo if you expect to be reelected. I place my NO vote today, and that was what was drawing out voters more than anything else. Voters must first see responsible spending before they are willing to give more. Katie Dempsey will be getting my No vote also .
amazingtale
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July 20, 2012
For more supportive information go to DavidDoss.com.
Almost_Anonymous
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July 20, 2012
FYI: DavidDoss.com is not David Doss's web site.

It's maintained by David Doss's opponent.
Watchingit
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July 20, 2012
Can’t find any site for DavidDoss.com or the one for DemocratDavidDoss.com mentioned in other comments. All references are to his FB page and Rome News stories, with the AJC and some blogs thrown in. Bing gave me more relevant possibilities than Google, including a 7-year old article in the Rome News when he announced his switch from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party.
mhunter627
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July 20, 2012
What the crap is up with so much money going into road building around this town??? Widening 53 to Calhoun? Pointless. the Rome 285? Don't get that either. Is it a keep the certain Rome families rich thing, or something else? It sure IS NOT about "creating jobs" as I never saw more than a handful of workers on 53 at any given time. As a matter of fact, I've never seen a highway project done with so few workers! Totally agree about the stadium road, omg, sheeesh. WAKE UP people!
tedb3rd
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July 21, 2012
Well, it does create "jobs" if you consider "jobs" as one person running paving equipment, 2 holding stop/slow signs, 4 people standing around watching, 2 people on break, and 1 asleep in the truck.
tedb3rd
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July 19, 2012
Interesting article about infrastructure trends in USA: http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba767

It's conclusion reads in part: "One reason why subsidies are ineffective at improving transportation is that most of those subsidies are captured by non-users, including increased profits for construction firms and increased pay and benefits for transportation workers."
TIGERALUM74
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July 19, 2012
MAYBE WE CAN GET THE BRILLANT TEAM OF LEADERS BACK TOGETHER THAT CONSTRUCTED A BYPASS THROUGH A BALL FIELD PARKING LOT TO MANAGE THIS PROJECT, YES THIS DID GROW THE ECONOMY THE PRICE OF PLY WOOD AND FRAMING LUMBER SKY ROCKETED DUE TO BUILDING LAND FOR SALE SIGNS ALONG THAT ROUTE.
heffalump
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July 20, 2012
Tiger, I agree. I use this new road and some wknd evenings I haven't been able to even cross from Riverside to get on it due to a ballgame letting out. I know this won't be the case for the year-round, but c'mon... there were other places this much needed route could have hit the bypass, or 53 for that matter. I no longer have to sit 20min on 27 just to make a left turn. They have a few places with turn-offs already on it, I'm sure utilities are in place for retail... just what we need, congest that road too.
dualfool
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July 24, 2012
Now you know that road was built so when the big tennis tournaments come to town they can shuttle people from the parking lot to the world famous tennis center.
dualfool
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July 24, 2012
Now you know that road was built for the big tennis tournaments when they come to town. This way they can shuttle all those thousands of people from the parking lot to the greatest tennis center yet to be built, but we have the road so lets do another splost and build the tennis center.
4lowertax
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July 19, 2012
Keep voting no every time they come up with some new way to tax us and maybe the ones that truly care about this community and our kids will take over and steer this ship to financial freedom and the leechfest will abruptly end!
4lowertax
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July 19, 2012
T-Splost=Transportation Special Money Lost. Live within our means, quit building things we have to maintain. Lay off some of the dead wood that brings nothing to the table and shows no means of earning their keep. We cannot even keep up half the things we have now, look at the forum, just one major city purchase cost us way over amillion dollars a year to keep open. What could we do with a 1.8 million a year? T-Splost is just fueling a later request for addittional taxes when our government cant seem to "balance the house". Its time for local, state and federal goverment to push the plate back,roll up their sleeves and make coffee in the am theirselves. Its very apparent, they do not give a rats rear about us anyway, they follow the leech prophecy!
dumpcake
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July 19, 2012
You really expect the minds that built our laughable"bypass", and made every passing zone on Hwy. 101 on an incline, to be able to manage to do it correctly this time around?

I also do not like the idea of paying higher sales tax so that other counties can mooch off of those that actually have businesses that can generate the revenue.
paulpubby
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July 19, 2012
Will you be a DONOR county? Paulding County is expecting you to donate to them. At a forum Tuesday night, July 17, 2012, hosted by the Paulding Chamber of Commerce the mayor of Dallas, GA, said, "Paulding County, in this process, will pay about 12 percent of the taxes in the region. What we get back is about 15 percent. That's a 25 percent rate of return on your money and if you can get that any where today, let me know, I've got a dollar or two I'd like to try to increase." There is a video on Youtube you can find by searching Chamber Town Hall. Thank you Floyd, Bartow, Gordon, Gilmer, and the rest of the Region I county taxpayers!! <3
heffalump
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July 19, 2012
If it passes they should only take bids from local contractors and keep cw matthews out of Rome! Let the money for the "jobs" they want to create stay in Floyd County.
drlove
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July 19, 2012
no for me!al pays less rd tax and seem to have better rds. I am sick of goverment shouting give me give me give me, quit living above our means. and them signs widen 101 most are on the right a way. they need to be taken down. isnt that the code?
TheSeer
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July 19, 2012
Better roads in Alabama? While Highway 431 and 231 through Alabama to the beach may be good, the other roads are in pathetic shape. Riding I-20 and I-59 through Alabama is an adventure with the bumps, rough surfaces and potholes and the side roads are even worse. That said, Georgia's roads are wearing out and our ridiculously low gasoline taxes aren't bringing in enough money to fix them.
Letsbefriendly
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July 19, 2012
I was reading the letter to the editor above. It has give me reason to question my vote. If we pay the tax and they use it for other projects. What will be done about it? Has anything been done about the funds in question already? If the GDOT fails us what course of action would be taken? I guess I should ask does the funds go to a state wide agency or NW georgia division?
Prossarian
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July 19, 2012
I'm voting "yes". If not they will get it another way. At least this way we know what is going to be done with the money and the Highway 101 project is essential.
formercavespringresident
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July 19, 2012
highway 101 doesn't need widening, it needs stricter speed enforcement, more careful and alert drivers. And besides the bulk of the money will be spent doing enviromental impact studies, purchasing right of ways and headed to other countes. Like many others have said, you want to vote "yes"...pull out your calculator and checkbook and pay it yourself.

VOTE NO!!!
tedb3rd
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July 22, 2012
"They WILL get it another way"?? You should say, "They [already] DO get it another way." ...with the taxes you're already paying.

And you don't know where the $ will go. They're politicians coordinating this.

The 101 project is not, "essential." It would be more convenient to have 4 lanes.

The problem is, if they 4-lane it, then the cost to maintain DOUBLES. Would putting in a 4-lane DOUBLE the revenue into the area? No.

If this were a business decision, it would be NO.

It's time that government ran itself like businesses that (at least) stay afloat: WITH LIMITS.
jawgadude
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July 19, 2012
And Former, GA has the lowest gas tax in the nation. It has not been increased in over 40 years, though construction costs have gone up ten-fold during this time and out cars are more fuel efficient meaning we are driving more miles on the same gallon than we did 40 years ago. Bottom line we're trying to build & maintain GA roads on about 10% of what we had to work with in 1972.
formercavespringresident
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July 19, 2012
Wow you seem to be way out of touch with current GA taxes. Refer to Roy Barnes and his administration for last road use tax hikes and gas tax. Stay current or lose respect!
jawgadude
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July 19, 2012
Ted you've been misinformed. Every dime raised in NW GA will stay in NW GA and be used on local road projects. None of this money goes to Atlanta. They have their own regional tax vote. Look at the project list for "our" vote here in Floyd and neighboring counties and you'll only see local projects.
formercavespringresident
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July 19, 2012
Amazing, another suplemental road tax. Do people not understand that with gaqllon of gas, diesel purchased here in Ga, they are already paying a road tax. A very high one in fact. Thistax is to pay for road building, upkeep and repair. VOT

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO

This splost thing is getting out of hand.Empire
heffalump
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July 19, 2012
Isn't that federal tax for roads? I'm not sure but I think that money maintais interstate routes. I might not be completely correct so don't spite me if I'm wrong.
tedb3rd
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July 19, 2012
I've seen the signs up/down Hwy. 101. Funny how the theme is "Widen This Road"... The same theme that was Atlanta 10, 15, 20, 25 years ago to create jobs and economic development. Well, they built and widened those roads and now the theme there is "Untie the knots."

And now we are expected to support MORE taxes to 'fix' the problem in Atlanta AND CREATE the problem in outlying areas that got us into this whole mess to begin with. If that's not politics, I don't know what is.

And the TSPLOST proposals assume that all the projects are going to come in at or below expected budget cost.. RIGHT!! And when it does not bring in the revenue and projects cost more than expected, guess which projects will get the funding! Yup.. The big ATL. So we will be paying for Marta buses and sidewalks down on Moreland Ave.

Vote No. Enough is enough.
coosatown
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July 19, 2012
AGREED. Vote "No" to more forced taxes. If a person supports these projects, just write a big ,fat check to the State of Georgia.I'm out of checks.
MmmHmm
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July 19, 2012
Apparenly you are one of those that never leaves Floyd Co. Endlessly happy spending your day driving "the loop". For those of us that drive to Atlanta (the place where all the jobs are because of 10,15,20,25 years ago), T-SPLOST is needed and will be greatly appreciated. Mass transportation will be key to helping untie the knot. T-SPLOST will go a long way to help this. The population is growing and our transportation systems have to grow with it. Jobs are out there (yes there, not here) but people need to be able to get to them. Tax increases and new taxes are inevitable. Things have to be done and they aren't done for free. If a lot of you people got your way when it came to taxes, we'd still be driving on dirt roads. Wait. Was Dukes of Hazzard based on someone from Rome?
appalucy
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July 19, 2012
@MmmHmm - Our vote has absolutely no effect on Atlanta.. it is a regional vote. Now do you want to be taxed for 10 years on a project that won't be started for another 7 years, that may, or may not be projected correctly in costs for these projects. It is already been questioned as unconstitutional on a state level so the issue could very well be tied up in court while you pay. Not to mention the GDOT, has oversight authority for T-SPLOST dollars and the projects they will fund. The same governmental entity that can't get their finances in order. Vote NO!
coosatown
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July 19, 2012
MmmHmm, I do drive on a dirt road. No complaints here. Move closer to your employment, I'll stay on the dirt road.
MmmHmm
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July 20, 2012
appalucy - Its all the same roads. Even though the T-SPLOST money will be divied up between counties, it will still go towards clearing up the same traffic issues and the same fixing roads, just different parts due to county jurisdictions. Also, yes, the money can be held for 10 years. It'll only be drawing interest that will be needed to help cover inflation between now and then and its that same inflation that you "NO" voters fail to understand. Costs change on a daily basis. Just because something is estimated at one cost doesn't mean it will stay that way until the project ends. Just the change in fuel prices from one day to the next can blow estimations out of the water exponentially. Much less everything else that must be factored in. Also, that's why the call it an estimate.

coosatown - Good to you for driving on a dirt road. I don't, nor do many others. Some of us like to keep our vehicles clean and free of dings. Dirt roads, mud puddles,and gravel don't really help with that. Also, many of us don't have vehicles that are built for dirt roads, nor are we expected to go out and buy such, so your point is fairly moot here.

appalucy
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July 20, 2012
Actually, MmmHmm.. you are wrong. If it doesn't pass in this region, but passes in Atlanta, barring constitutional issues, the Atlanta region would still have it's T-SPLOST and their 10 year tax but we wouldn't be participating in the tax here in this region. Our vote has absolutely no value to the T-SPLOST in Atlanta.
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