TSPLOST a big loser in Floyd County, Northwest Georgia
by Doug Walker, Associate Editor
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The TSPLOST vote wasn’t even close across the 15-county Northwest Georgia region, falling by a 88,099-41,856 margin at press time.

The penny sales tax for road projects did pass in Dade County, but wasn’t much of a contest in the other 14. The TSPLOST carried four precincts of the seven precincts in Dade County, but was carrying only three other precincts in all of Northwest Georgia, one each in Floyd, Gordon and Catoosa counties.

In Floyd County, the TSPLOST lost by 6,143-3,051, with one precinct outstanding at deadline. It did carry the South Rome precinct by an 85-67 margin.

The penny tax would have raised $1.4 billion in the region, paying to widen Ga. 140, Rockmart Highway, and jumpstarting the proposed U.S. 411 to I-75 connector.

Voters in three regions of the state, surrounding Augusta, Columbus and Dublin, passed the road program.

“This was a tax increase in a bad economy, to the intuitive as well as the informed that does not work. People just said no tax in this bad economy,” said Mike Morton, a leader of the local Tea Party.

“I think there would have been greater support for it if we didn’t have 10.6-percent unemployment and if we didn’t have houses being foreclosed on in record numbers,” Morton continued.

Kyle Abernathy, who cast a ballot at the manning Mill Recreation Center in Adairsville agreed. “So many people are already overtaxed,” Aber­nathy said. “I have questions about how the money is going to be spent and the 10 years of spending time is another thing that concerns me.”

“It won’t help me and I’m on a fixed income,” said Harold Glass of Resaca.

Roman Jerry Norman expressed a similar sentiment. “I think it would be a good thing if the money went to the right place,” Norman

said. “I think everyone is afraid that the money is going to be boondoggled.”

Ahmad Hall of Adairsville said he did his homework and understood what he was voting for. “I just thought it was common sense, I knew from the get go,” Hall said. “I knew it was something for this region.”

Hall said he felt like the way the region was growing, the road projects proposed for funding from the tax would be beneficial to the entire Coosa Valley area.

Lacey Pinson of Rome shared a similar opinion. “I just think if the funds are used in the best interest of the city, and are

going to improve transportation, then I’m for it,” Pinson said. Does she trust government to carry out the lengthy priority list of transportation projects? “I think you have to to some extent,” Pinson said.

“I’m greatly disappointed because I think our alternative is going to be much worse,” Northwest Regional Commission Executive Director Bill Steiner said. “There are rumors of increasing gasoline taxes and the figures show that would be 25 cents a gallon to make up the difference. I think that would be an undue burden, particularly on low and moderate income families whereas the sales tax is paid by everybody in the state and people who visit the state frequently or travel through the state.”

“I think the state is going to have re-evaluate what they’re doing and how they do it and come up with a new plan, said Rome City Manager John Bennett. “Locally, we’ll just have to take a hard look at what we need to do and then work with the county to see what we might do down the road.”

“It’s going to be an interesting experiment to see who was right, to see if the naysayers were right and this is an example of tax dollars going into a black hole never to be seen again with fraud waste and abuse running rampant. That’s what the naysayers say,” said state Rep. Christian Coomer, R-Cartersville.

Floyd County Commission Chairman Irwin Bagwell said that since the tax was defeated across the majority of the state, he can see county commissioners across the state going back to the legislature and asking for state road money because the region did not pass the tax.

“It will put us at a disadvantage for industrial prospects because we still need to build the roads and it’s going to cost us more to build them and that will certainly put us at a competitive disadvantage,” Bagwell said.

Steiner said concerns about the impact on industrial expansion go beyond recruitment of new industry. “Industries already here might move,” Steiner said.

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Trelicious
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August 03, 2012
It would also be hypocritical for MmmHmm to want to force every working American to donate a portion of their earnings to his favorite charity, i.e. Democratic voters, non-working, food-stamp dependent, lazy people with a sense of entitlement. Next You'll want me to buy the gas for the bus that goes to the non-working neighborhoods and picks up people so that they can vote Democrat.
4lowertax
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August 05, 2012
You already buy the gas and the buses!
MmmHmm
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August 03, 2012
Here's a little something to get you thinking: Since many of you are so against paying taxes, even when some are helping those in need, you know, because they are deadbeats who should be allowed to suffer, are you retired? If not, then eventually you will retire. Do you currently, or do you plan to receive Social Security benefits? do you currently have, or will you plan on enrolling for, Medicare or Medicaid? If so, then how are you not a hypocrite? Or, do you think taxes paid and what they go to should be only what you think it should? Otherwise known as you're own greedy self.
Bevans1974
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August 03, 2012
MmmHmm......... anyone who is retired or is going to retire isnt living off the taxes that others are paying in...... they are living off of the money they paid into the system their entire working. The benefits you receive is figured on how much you have paid into the system. That why it burns meup when i hear people saying that Social Security is an "entitlement".
abigailadams
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August 03, 2012
Floyd Countians better get ready to pay higher local and state taxes and fees for EVERYTHING because the money pipeline from Washington is about to get reduced to a trickle. Those of you who cheer on the federal budget slashers and tax cutters in Congress and plan to vote for more and deeper cuts need to know that your state and local government and school budgets depend heavily on federal grants and "matching" funds. Those governments will have to make some very tough choices about what to cut next and it could be something important to YOU and your family, not just the "welfare bums who won't work." Or they will raise your taxes and fees like water/sewer/garbage, 911 service, licenses, building permits, car tags, public parking, etc. Would you rather the whole nation of taxpayers chip in for Georgia and Floyd County's services or shoulder the whole burden yourself?
Savedandsanctified
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August 03, 2012
Google and Read the Lizza piece on Paul Ryan in the New Yorker. If nothing else read the concluding segments on how Federal largesse has made it possible for Paul Ryan's hometown to prosper. Elevate the conversation and be honest about it. The Servant Economy is a good read as well.
4lowertax
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August 05, 2012
Mrs. Adams, It is time for our big G to wastefully stop spending our money. If they do not we need to all uprise and get rid of them, and put someone in office that knows how to run a bank role on the positive side of the spreadsheet. It was very evident that the citizens of Georgia are fed up!
serpenttoe
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August 03, 2012
I find it interesting that the T-SPLOST passed in middle and south Georgia, which are some of the poorest areas of our state. The areas where a regressive sales tax would hit the low income earners the hardest. Yet, places like Savannah, Macon, Athens, Rome and Atlanta, areas that have the most to gain and the most ability to afford the investment, they all said no. Maybe those poorer counties, who have been left behind for years, decided they were tired of living like a third world country.
MmmHmm
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August 03, 2012
Very interesting isn't it. Investing in our infrastructure? What an irrational and vastly irresponsible thing to do. I just can't believe that people would actually use their heads. How did those gut instincts get beaten by intelligence? How non-conservative of them.

smarterthanyou_804
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August 01, 2012
Gosh, I guess I'm some kind of hillbilly then if I opposed this crazy tax. Doing all that research makes me selfish moron. In case you didn't know, the state DOT has failed its audit for something like the past FIVE years, so yeah, let's give them.more of my tax dollars to waste. That makes sense. And after ten years, they'll just make the tax permanent, or hell, maybe they'll find another reason to push another one cent splost on top of that! You're blaming all the misinformed "teabagger" and "hillbillies" for you having to pay higher property taxes or higher gas taxes, when you should be blaming the dirty politicians who will be the ones raising your taxes. Get informed sir. And if you don't like it here, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
chrw
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August 03, 2012
smarterthanyou_804, in case you didn't know - not only did GDOT pass their audit by the Federal Govt, they were recognized as Number ONE in the nation in completing projects under budget and Number TWO in the nation in completing projects on-time. By the way, GDOT wasn't managing the funds generated via TSPLOST. The funds were being managed by a separate entity - and then audited by yet another separate entity. Sorry you spent all that time "researching", and were blind to the facts of this piece of transportation legislation.
MaxPower
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August 01, 2012
We are Taxed Enough Already
Prossarian
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August 01, 2012
@ MmmHmm

Yep, us ol ignorant hillbillies done run off dem dere revenuers...I guess we be purty happy running round on our dirt roads, barefooted and stupid as ever...However..................

I highly recommend you run away from this old flea bag hill billy infested town and head up north to your liberal paradise. Oh do what, there's no jobs there... Oh you mean your wonderful unions and democratic politicians up there ran off all the businesses? That's just too bad, I guess you may have to hang around down here with all of us ignorant hicks that still have a few jobs left around that your liberal unions and tax plans haven't attacked yet.

That's right skippy, no new taxes, no new roads. It's called conservatism, the way of the South!
MmmHmm
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August 03, 2012
@Prossarian

I don't need your recommendations. We have been trying to sell out house so we can move out of your "old flea bag hill billy infested town". Guess what? No one here has to money to buy houses since there are very few jobs. Unless you are in the medical field, or an attorney, or in mgmt of any of businesses that have not moved away, then there is no decent income. People from out of town are not moving here because, again, no jobs. For those of us that have well-paying jobs, we have to travel quite a distance, so living in Rome is also a burdon. We would love nothing more than get out of here.
MmmHmm
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August 03, 2012
"out house", too funny. Should have been "our house".
elf88
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August 01, 2012
is the possibility of current industries leaving a real threat? Having lived here all my life, I voted for past - WAY PAST - SPLOSTS to build perimeter around Rome to alleviate traffic. STILL no connector to pull some of the traffic off of 101, and think that getting logging and dump trucks off that highway would be more beneficial to traffic flow than widening it. Of course, those logging and dump trucks would then get to impact school traffic and perhaps stadium traffic -- you know, on the connector we paid to build to ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC, then paid extra to build school and stadium on it! WHY do we not trust our government officials to handle our $$??
abigailadams
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August 03, 2012
My complaint exactly! Road projects are NEVER about alleviating existing traffic congestion and getting people who already live and work and shop here where they need to go. They are ALWAYS about promoting new development, as you pointed out about the Connector and the Rome Braves Stadium and Rome High, so in a few short years, the bypasses are also clogged up and they're begging for more money to build another bypass to unclog it (not). There are many unsafe roads in this county that could be improved to be safer, many intersections that could be improved to move traffic better, but funds never go for those "little" purposes because they help local residents. They can't be bragged about in some Chamber brochure to attract industry that will get a BIG county property tax break (abatements) subsidized loans and bonds, and other coporate welfare to come here and hire people from out-of-county and out-of-state.
tullock
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August 01, 2012
Re Steiner's quote--visitors would pay the gas tax too so the argument for a sales tax instead of a gas tax is weak.
abigailadams
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August 03, 2012
Right you are! And a gas tax is really a user tax, which is much fairer. Those who drive more buy more gas and use the roads more. I'll vote for a gas tax IF the proceeds are going to actually improve safety and traffic flow to get me where I need to go in this county. NOT for "deveopmental highways" which end up either underutilized or creating more traffic problems when development comes.
harrytaft
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August 01, 2012
Why not place the cost on those driving on I-95 and I-75 by charging $1.00 from entry point to exit point. 4 Toll booths, one each on the south and north borders of Georgia. 12 toll collectors 4 for each working 8 hour shifts.

The volumn of traffic would produce enough fund every day of the year to cover the toll collector's wages and meet the needs for road construcion and repair.

They use the roads so why not pay for them?

chrw
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August 03, 2012
The main problems with toll roads is that they are inefficient and repel visitors and business. Also, public needs (public health, public works, public transportation, public education and public safety) don't really work well as "let the ones that use them pay for them" projects.First, these are in place for future generations to use - so it isn't possible to tax the unborn for them. Secondly (for example), it isn't possible to tax the students for their education. I am in favor of taxing private choices of the parties that use them (alcohol, cigarettes, sporting events, hotels/motels, etc...)
serpenttoe
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August 03, 2012
harrytaft:

This may come as a shock to you, but I-75 and I-95 have on/off ramps the entire length of the road which allows motorist to get on/off at hundreds of locations other than the north and south borders of Georgia, thereby bypassing your ingenius scheme. DUH!
coosatown
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August 01, 2012
From the reports I have read this morning, the only area of Georgia to pass TSPLOST is the Appling, Jeff Davis, Wayne county area ( Southeast Georgia, excluding the coast). The Median income in that area is $27,753 for males, $18,148 for females. 18.60% of population below poverty line. May be a good relocation site for the "non-hillbillies".
frp1
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August 01, 2012
Misinformed is correct, now only people who own homes, property, ect...will be paying the whole load through raised property taxes, just wait and seed. These projects are gonna happen, with or without the 1 penny tax, unfortunatley now the $$ needed will just be the burden of the people mentioned above and not everyone sharing...a shame.
MmmHmm
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August 01, 2012
Exactly. The hillbillies have gotten their way and "dunned runned off'd that ol' revenuer". So when the roads finally degrade to nothing, we can thank all of the tea baggers for there oh-so-smart ways. This had nothing to do with adding a tax or increasing a tax to spread the costs, but everything to do with putting the burdon on those of us that own property. Well, I guess the state will help us out some with this. Our gax tax will surely go up now as well. You know, the gas tax that is currently one of the lowest in the country? I can't get my family out of this garbage dump quick enough. My children need to grow up around people of intelligence, which time after time is proven not to be found in much quantity in Floyd.
MmmHmm
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August 01, 2012
That should be "their" since its a sinny sin sin to mispell on here.
alan34
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August 01, 2012
@MnnHmm

Explain to me how if the Floyd County gas tax is the lowest that the actual cost per gallon is the highest of any county in North Georgia or Alabama. Centre, Alabama is currently $3.16 at Walmart. $3.34 at the Cedartown Walmart and $3.53 at the Rome, Walmart. I've always wanted to know this and you seem to be the person to ask since you obviously know everything.
MmmHmm
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August 01, 2012
Back @Alan. What are you talking about? I didn't say anything about a Floyd Co gas tax. Floyd CO doesn't have a gas tax. The gas tax is a state tax, and yes, GA has one of the lowest gas taxes in the country, but not for long.

@Crawfish. Liberal, conservative, whatever. Its common freaking sense. It takes money, tax money, to pay for the things that need to be done. These things don't magically fix themselves. Oh. That's right. People around here don't believe in having things that require upkeep as some of you have posted on this forum. I guess that fits for this "city". This "city" where 3 out of 4 cars blow more smoke than 10 transfer trucks. A "city" where people take pride in their gutters hanging halfway off their houses. A "city" where people love that they can leave their Christmas lights hanging year-round. Yep. That about sums it up.

As far as name calling? Well, that's about all you people respond too. If a comment doesn't cause ire on these forums, then it is just ignored as just some other person that has the audacity to think and reason. Something that isn't taken very well around here.
dumpcake
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August 01, 2012
Actually, if property taxes rise, all residents pay. You just don't see it because you're ignorant of how to manage things in a business-like manner.

If I own an apartment complex, and the County raises my property taxes, you think I'm just going to suck it up and let it eat into my profit margin? Nope. The cost will be passed on to the tenants as an increase in rent.

Mull that over next time your rent rises. Don't curse that "evil rich bastard", but instead, the government.
4lowertax
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August 03, 2012
MmmHmm, I see you are on government payroll! Anyone on "government assistance" would support more taxes, that just means you can hire more people to waste our HARD EARNED taxes, that we contribute to YOUR paycheck. The citizens of the state HAVE spoken and we do not want to pay more taxes! The big G is going to have to start running our fed,state and local Gov. like the majority of us run our household! Lay off all the NON Contributors, quit spending money on useless projects,unless the economy and the tax base warrants it, and quit taking on state and federal matching funds, its not FREE MONEY, we still have to pay for it! These projects require maintanance and thats money we do not have. If you don't like us hillbillies, move up north! Alabama Property taxes are cheaper than anyone in the country and their roads are the best i have seen. They don't build new schools everytime a lightbulb blows,they remodel. They also have higher test scores than georgia but yet pay their teachers less! You are the reason we have to pay so much to the big G. I bet you cannot even manage your household budget can you?
MmmHmm
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August 03, 2012
@4lowertax

Sorry. You got me all wrong. No gov't payroll and no gov't assistance. Just a human that doesn't mind helping those in need. Not because of some hokey religion. Not because I'm loaded and need tax write offs or a guilty conscience. Just because its the right thing to do. Our household budget is just fine as well thank you. Wanna give it another guess? Or did that take everything you had?
4lowertax
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August 03, 2012
MmmHumm, if you don't like the "Hillbilly" Majority, quit talking about it and get out! Your fast food job will transfer anywhere in the country!Intelligence??? You think you are intelligent? 85% vote no and you think you are in the intelligent society club? well, 15% of all dogs eat feces, i for one am going to be one of the 85% eating dog food, not to offend you or nothing.........find happiness and intelligence elsewhere rn-t.com cannot help you.
TIGERALUM74
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August 01, 2012
CHRW - it appears their are over 88,000 misinformed voter's the people have spoken and they will not forget all the elected official when election day comes for their office, the millons of dollars spent promoting the yes vote could have fed and clothed a lot of needy people.
appalucy
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August 01, 2012
Or put into a fund for the roads. It was a bad referendum that was unconstitutional, very expensive and so far down the road, Floyd county would not benefit economically anytime soon. Instead of always focusing on industrial, maybe it is time to focus on jobs that doesn't require extensive infrastructure on the part of the county.
heffalump
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August 01, 2012
@ appalucy: what jobs should be focused on that don't require extensive infrastructure. More medical facilities? Fast food? What jobs should be focused on?

Not to you, but I've made a list of just about everyone I could find on these articles, so, no whining from any of you in the future about any kind of road or transportation issue or I'm gonna call ya out.
appalucy
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August 01, 2012
A friend suggested these but they make sense: communications, call centers, business support systems, IT, health care support, data centers. We export much of our young talent because we focus so much on industry and warehousing. The ones that have a tech and college degrees leave this area because of the limited opportunities.
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