House Bill 140 would boost education tax credits
by Lauren Jones, Staff Writer
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At a time when Georgia’s public education budget is an increasingly hot topic, it’s alarming to some that a Tax Credit Scholarship expansion bill that would divert $30 million more in revenue is making its way through the General Assembly.

House Bill 140 is an extension of the Tax Credit Scholarship Program that allows Georgians to take a dollar-for-dollar tax credit for a donation to a Student Scholarship Organization. The SSOs distribute the donations to eligible private schools as student scholarships.

The measure, sponsored by state Rep. Earl Ehrhart, R-Powder Springs, is awaiting a hearing in the House Ways and Means Committee.

In a report released by the Georgia Budget and Policy Institute, senior policy analyst Claire Suggs wrote that the bill “would expand Georgia’s private school scholarship tax credit program from $50 million to $80 million, diverting an additional $30 million in potential state revenue from the general fund.”

The legislation comes on the heels of Floyd County Schools’ Reduction In Force plan to eliminate 119 employees, with the purpose of trimming $10 million from the school system’s budget — and money troubles in other public school systems.

Some Georgia residents are feeling steadily uneasy about choices being made at the capitol. 

“The Floyd County school cuts are very upsetting, even to people concerned about Georgia public education living outside your area,” said Jeanette Knazek, research coordinator for EmpowerED Georgia. “And to know that private schools are, in essence, being given preference with planned increases of 60 percent and beyond, via the tax-credit scholarship program’s proposed 2013 legislation, is mind-boggling.” 

EmpowerED Georgia is a group of parents, students and educators uniting in response to deep budget cuts in state education funding.

Knazek, who is from north Fulton County, said she regularly gathers information about what’s happening with the legislators on national, state and local levels. She said her personal opinion is that Georgia shouldn’t even have a tax credit scholarship for private schools.

“The fact that the Legislature has made a decision to allow people’s tax dollars to go to private education at a time when the legislature is not coming up to snuff for funding public education, I have a problem with that,” she said.

Knazek expressed frustration with what she sees as state lawmakers writing off public education. And she noted that the tax credit scholarship program won the Society of Professional Journalists’ “Black Hole” award in 2012, for the law’s failure to hold anyone accountable for how they spend the tax funds.

“The legislature decided to make it illegal to find out where that money is spent; there’s no transparency,” she said. “When you see these RIFs like what happened in Floyd County… I think there’s over 20 districts that are on the brinks of collapsing. But the legislature will fund private education at the tax payers’ expense. We are ignoring the many kids that could be doing more with that money.”

She emphasized that these issues should concern all taxpayers, not just those affiliated with schools.

“I’m not even a parent, but I believe public education is one of the main pillars of democracy, and to see that funding being pulled… I know part of it is the economy, but part of it is the decisions being made by those in power,” she said. “They’re shortchanging everybody. This is a bigger issue than just for those who have kids in schools. Taxpayers should care. This is a black hole. Awarding this “black-hole” program a 60 percent increase from $50 to $80 million a year —plus guaranteeing specified annual increases — is simply outrageous.”

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chris618a
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February 26, 2013
I have difficulty understanding the problem here. People should be grateful that there is a public education. Having a child is a choice. With that decision comes cost and responsibilities. If you get a pet you cannot expect someone else to take care of it. Naturally for the benefit of our society we have a public education. It does not have to be expensive. If parents would take responsibility and help to educate their children and teach them to respect teachers and do their part to help their school, all would be well. This fact is well demonstrated in the private schools wherein parents have to actually pay for their child's education, as well as in some public schools like East Central where parents give a damn. You can take 50 well behaved children who are eager to learn in any cheap enviornment and they will learn. There are too many people who want someone else to deal with their children. Read to your kids, CONTRIBUTE instead of fight. Help your teachers teach YOUR kids. Also, if you are so mad at the government and what it provides for YOUR child, keep that in mind the next time you vote for a President who wastes millions of dollars. Half the schools in America could look like Darlington with what this administration has wasted. Our teachers deserve better and more pay for what they have to endure with today's situation. My kids attend private school. We get 0 tax credit for this, and we have to pay high school taxes for your children to attend schools that fail. Do you consider that fair? Be glad we have a public education, and if you do not like it, contribute-don't attack those who do.
dalton75
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February 26, 2013
chris,

That is just as fair as me having to continue to pay school taxes with my property tax even though my kids have long since graduated and I no longer have kids in the public schools.

Or should I say, just as unfair as your situation.
shudanownbetter
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February 27, 2013
The problem here is that they are not only taking away money from kids who are underpriveledged, but then they also do not have to prove where the money went and what they did with it. You give anybody that kind of power, and you are just asking for trouble! And every person in this state should be furious with this notion! Who's pockets is this money gonna really be lining? And for the record, I have 3 kids in Floyd County schools, and I have always worked a fulltime job, and if I could afford to send mine to private school I would, but I cant. So this makes me very upset!
LimitGovernment
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February 26, 2013
Limited Government is not the Elimination of Government.

I agree with Serpenttoe.

The poster is dead on.

Dalton75, Lets just stop paving roads, stop sewage treatment, start hanging folks, do away with local police and simply enforce community laws using our personal/best judgement, stop allowing women the right to vote, stop allowing negros and indians and anyone else not white or a property owner the right to vote.... Heck, lets just destroy government because it is simply evil, allows moral decay, and "protects the rights of you from harming mine own".... Its simply asinine!

Teachers and Principals should volunteer. Why pay them? I mean, I guess Darlington Teachers shouldn't get paid either, Tuition is only 18k a year now, double that of the cost of Floyd Country Schools, but if they stopped paying teachers, maybe the cost would drop in half to what it costs our public schools....

We DO have prayer in schools. The constitution says you can pray, or assemble in prayer anytime you want however you want. I want RELIGION out of schools. Religion is man made and not of God. Sunday School and the home are great places to establish beliefs in Jesus Christ or whoever you choose... Should there literally be an argument about how old the Earth is? It is 6000 years old for many of you fist clinchers, but it is at least 20000 years old to the standard Georgia Tech graduate who understands carbon dating..... If God is the Alpha and Omega, should there even be a Sunday School class on such things???

Simply Put: Until Rome Georgia stops fighting over breadcrumbs and starts striving for a higher way of life among the evangelical voters, this will continue to evolve as a town of minimum wage, or little better, opportunity. That is no John Birch Conspiracy, that is the truth....

dalton75
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February 26, 2013
Where did that come from? How did you get that out of my comment to say what you did to me or did you get me confused with someone else? You are kidding arent't you? I hope so for your sake.
LimitGovernment
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February 27, 2013
For my sake I hope your wrong Dalton, because if you think for one minute that Public Schools are designed to mind train kids a "doctrine" or a "religion" or a non-historical view of this world from the big bang God caused a billion years ago, aka His radical idea, to how the Public education is truly crumbling, your completely brainwashed yourself.

Do you know the poverty rate in Floyd County?
MaxPower
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February 26, 2013
TheSeer

Teachers do not work buy the year ether. 190 days is only 15 days more then having a day off for every day worked.

The contract states 190 8 hours days .

The adv FCS Teacher pay is $55,138.52 for 190 8 hour work days. That brakes down to $36.27 an hour.

I do not see anything under payed about this pay rate.

And with school administrators making 2 times that, Something has got to brake.
040911
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February 26, 2013
Unfortunately what the FCS shows as teacher pay is not quite accurate. You see while they say a teacher makes $55,138.52 for 190 8 hour work days, said teacher is no longer working 190 days but 182, so that is a loss of $2,321.28 for a year. Now that doesn't seem like much but then factor in how much a teacher actually brings home after taxes, insurance, etc. and things aren't quite what they seem. Think about your own pay check. Do you actually bring home what you are told you are supposed to? I am in no way saying that teachers aren't paid decently, but since they are being given the responsibility of educating our country's future so we can be out of this mess we are currently in, I think we can help them out a little bit.

Also, you need to watch your homophones. I think you meant by instead of buy (this one means to purchase), breaks instead of brakes (these stop cars and you did this twice), and paid instead of payed (this one is just completely wrong).
Trelicious
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February 26, 2013
Government does nothing well except bureaucracy and war. It's funny to me that we give our kids to government for most of their childhood and then are appalled at the results.
MaxPower
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February 25, 2013
TheSeer

I got the numbers form the office of the Floyd County Schools Superintendent.
TheSeer
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February 25, 2013
Teachers are not paid by the hour so I am sure nobody in the superintendent's office told you they were paid $36 an hour.
serpenttoe
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February 25, 2013
This entire Student Scholarship Organization (SSO)scheme was cooked up by an ultra conservative legislative organization in Washington, DC and given to the most extreme conservatives in each state legislature to implement. In Georgia it was the disgraced ex-Senator Chip Rogers in the Senate, and Rep. Earl Erhart in the House. The plan was to disguise it as an attempt to help poor minority kids who are stuck in a failing school system to get to go to private schools. A noble idea, I suppose.

However, it quickly became a scheme for wealthy parents to get a state tax CREDIT for sending their kids to private schools. There was a YouTube video of one State Representative in Alpharetta explaining exactly how affluent parents can use this program to send their own kids to private school and receive a tax credit from the state. So far, the state has been allowing $50 Million per year of PUBLIC TAX MONEY to be re-directed to PRIVATE SCHOLS. When the news media (not the Rome News) started asking questions about this sham, Rep. Erhart last year amended the law so that all records and information about the program are now sealed from public view. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL. You the tax payer, is forbidden by law, to see how your tax money is being sent, or to see exactly who is getting the money or which schools are getting the money. House Bill 140 that is pending in the Legislature now, is to EXPAND the program from $50 million to $80 million per year. These are millions of dollars that are being TAKEN AWAY from public education at a time when Floyd County just had to cut 119 jobs.

So why is this happening? The very far right in this country wants to END PUBLIC EDUCATION. They want to privitize education for one reason. Private schools can pick and choose which students they allow in AND they can teach religion in schools. Two things that public schools cannot do. There is a very good reason the founding fathers included "seperation of church and state" in the constitution. Churches are places to worship and learn the word of God. School is for education. The far right wants to teach "their religion" whatever that is. Will they teach Christianity? Judaism? Islam? Buddism? What about the atheist kids? I guess they don't get an education in this plan, but their parents still pay school taxes.

And as for which kids get into the privitized school system, anybody want to guess? I suspect the kids will be overwhelmingly white and affluent. So what about the poor and middle class kids and the minority kids? Well, they get what's left of the public school system after it has been cannibalized by the far, far right legislators who are being spoon-fed this garbage by some seriously mis-guided people in Washington, DC
wheninrome
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February 25, 2013
If that is correct, it's an outrage. What can we as citizens do about it?
dalton75
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February 25, 2013
We did just fine in this country before the government started forcing children to attend public schools so the people in power could be supplied with obedient workers indoctrinated into the idea of school, work, produce stuff, buy stuff, equals success. All this is to keep the powerful of the world powerful and living off the backs of the ignorant brain washed drones produced by our government schools.

This is just the tip of the iceberg on what pubic eduction has done to our population: From 1940 to present blacks went from 84 percent literacy rate to 28 percent literacy rate. Whites went from 99 percent literacy rate to 50 percent literacy rate.

Less than 50 percent of the population are literate enough to read simple instructions or fill out a simple tax form.

Public government schools will never succeed because they are not designed to produce independent thinking literate adults. Just the opposite. You can't control people if they are literate and are able to think for themselves. They are taught to follow the government. Work, pay taxes, buy things, and stay in line or go to jail or worse.

serpenttoe
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February 25, 2013
It is absolutely true. Many articles have been written about it in the AJC and other newspapers so a search on the subject should produce a lot of material. Here is a link to one op/ed done by the AJC:

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/06/georgias-tuition-tax-credit-law-weakest-in-nation/

You also need to pay attention to our local legislators. Many just vote the way the leadership tells them to vote.

Finally,if anybody doubts me that there are folks out there who want to destroy public education, read dalton75. This dude scares me.
crankyascanbe
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February 25, 2013
I'm no fan of private schools,serpenttoe, but you're incorrect about the founding fathers and public schools as far as this here newfangled idea about separation of church and state and the avoidance of religion at all costs. All those fancy Ivy League colleges...you know, the ones built in the 1600 and 1700's? Well, those founding fathers all went to those church colleges. Nearly all higher education had religious backings to it. All of the public education going on in Massachusetts and other colonies/early states? Well, the kids used primers that ALL taught Christian values. A is for apple, with Eve handing it to Adam, etc., were pictured, written about and taught. If kids went to school, you could be guaranteed that the Bible was a major part of the reading process.

People can make what they want to about this here Freedom of Religion thing. Personally, I don't want anyone that has a differing view on religion than mine own indoctrinating my grand kids. But this idiotic notion that religion never played a role in schools throughout American history is a bunch of bunk! It's the crap of lies and crock that the modern day Atheist movement is peddling, and whether or not I agree with it doesn't matter to me. What does matter is the distortion of the truth when it comes to historical fact. I'm dang tired of all these here so-called revisionists up and revising things to suit their own narrative or story.
serpenttoe
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February 26, 2013
Cranky:

The subject of this article is about HB 140 and how it is funneling public tax dollars away from our public school system and putting them into private schools. Spare us all a lesson about 1643 and where Thomas Jefferson went to kindergarten. You sound like Barry Loudermilk, who went to bible college, yet is some self-proclaimed expert on the Constitution.

Despite your expertise on the Constitution, the US Judicial system has consistantly recognised the doctrine of seperation of church and state. And by the way, I am a devout Chrstian, and church and home is where religion should be taught unless you also want to send your kids to a religious private school.

So, let's try and stay on point. HB 140 is killing public education in this state. If the far right want to send their kids to private school, they can write a tuition check like I did.
chris618a
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February 26, 2013
My kids attend a private school and I have never seen a tax credit. I do not know what you are talking about. I pay for mine, and through taxes pay for everyone else as well. Maybe a new CPA is in order.
crankyascanbe
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February 25, 2013
The only reason why Floyd Schools are in this mess is that the idiots in charge let it happen. All neighboring systems were cutting staff for the past 4 years and weren't adding new members in that time. Floyd kept hiring and providing crap that they knew they couldn't pay for on down the line. These sorry rascals should have been making tough decisions long ago. We could have saved a few million bucks by now on all the trimmed salaries and benefits that we've been paying for over the past 4 or 5 years. It all adds up.
crankyascanbe
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February 25, 2013
Sorry, but people choose to put their young kids in private schools. It's their own choice to do so. Since it's their own choice, they aint got no right to the tax dollars. They freely chose to not use the public schools, free of charge, and freely chose to put their kids somewhere else. It was their own decision to do so, so let them live with their own choice.
gahalls
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February 25, 2013
Nope we decided in this country long ago that education is so important to our survival that it is i right. Everyone pays for it and it should not matter if you get it through private or public schools. It is the responsibility of government to fund it not mandate where you get it. just like health care it is a right now. Everyone has to fund it and everone should have it doesn't matter if you take the government plan or a private plan. Just remember if you have a plan and like it you can keep it. I wonder if that same argument was given when the government took over education?
chris618a
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February 26, 2013
Not only are you cranky, but misinformed as well. We freely choose not to place our kids into public schools, but we still pay taxes for public schools. WE PAY OUR FAIR SHARE!!!!

Based on your logic, if you do not have medical insurance you should not be allowed to go into a hospital. After all, it is your decision not to carry it, why should taxpayers cover you?
jwagdoc
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February 25, 2013
This tax credit, the charter school amendment, opting out of the national curriculum...why doesn't the legislature just get it over with and create the 2-tiered (2-party?) education system they clearly crave.
Bevans1974
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February 25, 2013
i disagree formerroman... i dont have any kids in school anymore and i still have to pay my taxes.

Why should someone who chooses to send their child to a private school get a tax break when us older taxpayers still have to pay for other peoples kids to go to school. My child quit riding a school bus, occupying a classroom and requiring a taxpayer funded teacher many years ago.
FormerRomanJr.
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February 25, 2013
When their kids are out of school, they would return to paying regular rates..The same they were paying before their kids entered the private school..

How much taxes do kids parents from the projects pay-NO school taxes..

How much taxes do illegal parents in an apartment pay for their American born child-None

I don't know the answer Bevans, but there's got to be a better way..EVERYBODY needs to have some skin in the game..I don't even have kids, but have been paying school taxes all my adult life.

Good point Bevans
tullock
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February 24, 2013
Given the obvious slant in this article, it belongs on the editorial page not the front page. Was the writer unable to find anyone who would speak in support of the program or did she not even try?
FormerRomanJr.
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February 24, 2013
Anybody who sends their child to "private" school should be eligibile for a tax credit..That's one less child to ride the bus, occupy a classroom seat and require a taxpayer funded teacher..

Not sure it should be 100%, but 60-70% sounds about right..

It does reduce classroom size which should benefit the less fortunate..Anything that takes the burden off the taxpayer should be rewarded to some extent.
softspoken
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February 24, 2013
There is a difference between getting a tax break for sending your child to a private school, and directly diverting public school tax funds to private schools.

Hell, I would love to be a member of Coosa Country Club but I can't afford it. Maybe some of my taxes that go to help fund the RFPRA can be diverted to help fund my membership to the country club. Reasonable?
MikeLReynolds
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February 24, 2013
This is how the state legislature pushes public money up to a few with wealth and influence, not across to citizens.

I can afford to send my kid to a private school and the state will pay her tuition. Plus, I get a federal charitable tax deduction! This was to fund opportunity for under-priviledged students with financial need; but, the law has no financial need requirement. The legislature has made it illegal to release any information about the use of these funds to the public so evaluation of what the state is getting for its dollar is impossible.

The rich have seceded from America; it is just becoming evident as the middle class struggles.

Students from privileged families are at a private school at the expense of less affluent students who are in larger classes for shorter days, with fewer technology resources, and underpaid teachers - who are demonized by the public.

romenewshound
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February 25, 2013
Well put.
MaxPower
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February 25, 2013
MikeLReynolds

Underpaid teachers ??

You call $36 an hour plus benefits plus early retirement at $30 k a year,

Under Paid ??

Are You For Real ? ???
TheSeer
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February 25, 2013
What teachers earn $36 an hour? A typical teacher works 11 hours a day. (7:30 until at least 4:30 at the school and a minimum of two hours each night at home grading papers and preparing for the next day) Add a minimum of four hours each weekend for lesson plan preparation and getting their classrooms ready for the week ahead and you have a 59 hour week. Teachers who are required to work with a club or extracurricular activity can add another 2 to 10 hours a week but I am assuming the minimum for this calculation. That would place their weekly salary at $2,124. Each teacher works a minimum of 38 weeks a year based on a 180 day school year and at least one week each to get ready for a new year and to wrap up the previous year. If teachers earned $36 an hour, the average teacher salary would be $80,712, which in fact almost no teacher other than a head football coach with advanced degrees and 20 plus years teaching experience might earn. I don't know where your $36 figure comes from but most teachers in Georgia don't earn close to half that much.
heffalump
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February 25, 2013
Seer, Last year, Floyd Co Schools went to 160 days, this year, I believe another at least 5 days have been cut, plus, added early release days. I don't know where you got the info on the 180 day school year.
TheSeer
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February 25, 2013
Floyd County does not have a 160 day calendar for students. There are some teacher furlough days but teachers are working on those days. Students are scheduled to attend school 176 days next year.
inthetrenches
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February 25, 2013
Floyd County teachers have 182 days this year, with students 175 days. Next year, teachers will have 180 days and students 175.

If teachers were paid by the hour, with time and a half for overtime, our income would increase signifcantly

MaxPower, you seem quite bitter and resentful towards teachers. Do you resent other professions' salaries? Cosmetologists, for example, make anywhere from $40-50 an hour or more. Do your resent them or do you consider their expertise, training, and time on their feet well worth it? I certainly do and think they earn every penny. If you begrudge the salaries and feel we are overpaid, why not get your degree and join the ranks of the "overpaid" teachers? Be prepared, however, to sink your own money into your classroom and working many, many hours when students are not even in the building. You won't make and extra cent, but it is part of the job. As for retirement and benefits, most private businesses also provide both. The difference, however, is that teachers pay a much higher percentage of ourincome into the retirement program than most any other profession I know of. This isn't optional for us.

Teachers take a regular beating in the media and the uninformed public, yet I don't see these critics offering any positive feedback...just bashing. Spend a week or so in our shoes.
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