Letter to the editor: Islam is not tolerant of others
by John Martindale
Aug 29, 2010 | 2156 views | 20 20 comments | 7 7 recommendations | email to a friend | print
Backers of the mosque proposed near Ground Zero forget that once the Islamic belief system is entrenched deeper, tolerance, broader acceptance and open-mindedness will not be encouraged by any of the mosque’s outreach programs. Islam is not big on furthering personal liberty, freedom of speech, civil rights or women’s rights for Muslims, much less the unwashed infidels. But let’s fight hammer and tong to further increase the toe-hold this belief system has in our country in the name of inclusion and acceptance.

Meanwhile, after all the preachy mouthings about inclusion, etc. on behalf of Muslims, Wiccans, Druids, or any nontraditional cult or sect, ideological soulmates of elitists are doing their level best to obliterate Christianity from the public arena. They lack the intellectual honesty to remind anyone that 50 percent of all Americans attend religious services at least once a month, and 80 percent believe in God. Meanwhile, 30 percent (sic) claim to be atheistic. How curious! The smallest cross violates separation of church and state, but the draconian imposition of this atheistic belief system by our fair and open-minded federal judicial system does not. Don’t we just love democracy in action?

For all their diligence, the voices decrying supposed constitutional violations of the separation of church and state neglect the critical point that this legal linchpin is not even in the Constitution. It was extracted from the personal writings of Thomas Jefferson, and canonized into law via high-handed federal judges. It would seem they are misreading the Constitution’s guarantee of “freedom of religion” as “freedom from religion.”

Meanwhile our president can find reasons to skip the National Day of Prayer, but find time to host a Ramadan dinner.

The caustic national rhetoric has obscured some other critical points. Our country’s history of unfettered, unencumbered religion erupted in the greatest development of freedoms , human rights and dignity, in the history of the world, various protestations of historical revisionists aside.

It seems the greater message from progressive elitists is, “do as I say, but not as I do!” it is a confusing message to be sure.

A close inspection of unrestrained atheism reveals an entirely different story. The four greatest mass murderers in mankind’s history – Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung and Pol Pot, were all unrepentant atheists. If this mosque follows Islam’s traditional path, it’s not good news for America’s legacy of freedom and human rights. But that’s fine as long as we all are tolerant, inclusive and gullible.

JOHN MARTINDALE, Sugar Valley

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RomeWrecker
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September 01, 2010
Having not read anything more than the headline assigned to be this letter, I'd like to point out that all religions are exclusive and untolerant. Heck, even within the Christian faith there are a dozen or so sects all believe they're right and the others are wrong.
lmorri43
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September 01, 2010
Sorry Mystic... I was quoting the article but forgot the quotes.
RealEstateMystic
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September 01, 2010
lmorris43: What do you mean by "Islam's traditional path"? With its Sunni, Sufi, Shi'ite, and Wah'habi denominations, Islam is not a monolithic religion, any more than Christianity is.
lmorri43
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September 01, 2010
A close inspection of unrestrained atheism reveals an entirely different story. The four greatest mass murderers in mankind’s history – Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung and Pol Pot, were all unrepentant atheists. If this mosque follows Islam’s traditional path, it’s not good news for America’s legacy of freedom and human rights. But that’s fine as long as we all are tolerant, inclusive and gullible.

Show me one shred of evidence pointing toward any of these men committing atrocities due to their lack of belief in a god or gods.

Show me one shred of evidence pointing toward any of these men stating because there is no god, I have been granted power over you.

Just a side note... the definition of atheist is the lack of belief in a god or gods. There has been approximately 3,000 gods recorded in history, every person hear holds an atheistic postition to at least 2,998 of these. "We are all atheists, I just go one god further." Richard Dawkins

soulf2
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August 31, 2010
The caustic national rhetoric has obscured some other critical points. Our country’s history of unfettered, unencumbered religion erupted in the greatest development of tyranny, human rights violations and loss of dignity, in the history of the world, various protestations of historical revisionists aside.

It seems the greater message from christian elitists is, “do as I say, but not as I do!” it is a confusing message to be sure.

A close inspection of unrestrained christianity reveals an entirely different story. The greatest mass murderer in mankind’s history is the Christian god. If this christian follows christianity’s traditional path, it’s not good news for America’s legacy of freedom and human rights. But that’s fine as long as we all are intolerant, non-inclusive and gullible.

soulf2
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August 31, 2010
For all their diligence, the voices decrying this is not constitutional violations of the separation of church and state fail to understand that this is in the Constitution. It was extracted from the personal writings of Thomas Jefferson, and canonized into law via Constitutional amendment. It would seem they are misreading the Constitution’s guarantee of “any law impeding the free exercise of religion” as “freedom of Christin religion only.”
soulf2
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August 31, 2010
Meanwhile, after all the preachy mouthings about inclusion, etc. on behalf of christians or any nontraditional cult or sect, ideological soulmates of elitists are doing their level best to obliterate non-christians from the public arena. They lack the intellectual honesty to remind anyone that 41.6% percent of all Americans attend religious services at least once a month, and 83.1% percent believe in God. Meanwhile, 1% claim to be atheistic. How curious! The removal of the smallest cross violates separation of church and state, but the draconian imposition of this christian belief system by our fair and open-minded federal judicial system does not. Don’t we just hate democracy in action?
soulf2
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August 31, 2010
Backers of the prayer proposed in public schools forget that once the christian belief system is entrenched deeper, tolerance, broader acceptance and open-mindedness will not be encouraged by any of the christian outreach programs. Christianity is not big on furthering personal liberty, freedom of speech, civil rights or women’s rights for christians, much less the heathens. But let’s fight hammer and tong to further increase the toe-hold this belief system has in our country in the name of inclusion and acceptance.
tatweeta
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August 30, 2010
Go Mipoco! Your the man! Bash those Christians butt good! Your momma rased you right in teaching you to hate all those white folks. Your my brother, brother. Keep burning those religous people at the steak. We love it! Mipoco is the man! Stand up now aganst white opression!
jatkins09
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August 30, 2010
The argument from body count is so stupid, and it's obvious you've never thought deeper than the "haHA, GOTCHA!" you exclaimed the first time you heard it. So, disregarding your misunderstanding of correlation and causation, you'd have to agree that by your "logic," before these 20th Century dictators appeared, it was rational to conclude that since the body count was so obviously skewed towards the christians, that atheism was the correct belief system. HAHA GOTCHA!
FormerRoman
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August 30, 2010
Cranky, The Left Coast religious haters who support those Dems sure seem to worship Dr. King,Rev. Jesse Jackson,Rev.Al Sharpton, Rev. Louis Farrakhan,Rev. Wright..I wonder if they think those folks are religious "wackos"?
jrife
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August 30, 2010
Finally... an American who can read well enough to see that no where in the Constitution was it written "separation of church and state".

Although novromano's comments are correct. Yet the majority of non-Christians in the world have trouble identifying Protestant Christians from Catholic Christians (& yes there's a vast differnt... they're about as similar to each other as Satanists are to Zionist).
stanisloski101
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August 30, 2010
It's bad enough that I have to subsidize churches with my hard earned tax dollars because they don't have to pay them, but now I have to pay for their advertising too? Get off your butt, get a real job and pay for your own prayer.

Hitler made dozens of recorded Christian statements throughout his life, even crediting Jesus for what he was doing to the Jews.

Name for me ONE time Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot said they commited their atrocities in the name of atheism? If you used the same standard for Christians, BILLIONS have been killed and even worse by Christians.

Sounds to me like Christians need to do the repenting!
RyanM
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August 30, 2010
Awww, poor Johnny is whining because other religions might actually be considered equal to his.

btw, there's no such thing as a close inspection of atheism. Atheism is not a belief system. You might of well have said,

"A close inspection of unrestrained testosterone reveals an entirely different story. The four greatest mass murderers in mankind’s history were all men"

RealEstateMystic
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August 30, 2010
Mr Martindale: The proposed building is not a mosque. It is a Muslim community center -- which, of course, will contain a place of worship. Either you don't know the difference, or you choose not to?
novromano
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August 29, 2010
Adolf Hitler was not an atheist; he was in fact a Roman Catholic. He became a communicant and an altar boy in his youth and was confirmed as a "soldier of Christ" in that church. He greatly admired Martin Luther, who openly hated the Jews. Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf, "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.

Acclaimed Hitler biographer John Toland explains his heartlessness as follows: "Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite the detestation of its hierarchy, he carried within him its teaching that the Jews was the killer of god. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of god. ..."

Christians may find Hitler distasteful, but he was definitely not an atheist.
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